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		<title>By: PHP shell rocks &#124; PHPkitchen</title>
		<link>http://phpkitchen.com/2006/06/php-shell-gets-even-better/comment-page-1/#comment-2279</link>
		<dc:creator>PHP shell rocks &#124; PHPkitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] written about this before, but since the interactive mode of PHP (php -a) seems to be broken on OS X, I think it&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] written about this before, but since the interactive mode of PHP (php -a) seems to be broken on OS X, I think it&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: .: blogging augusto :.</title>
		<link>http://phpkitchen.com/2006/06/php-shell-gets-even-better/comment-page-1/#comment-676</link>
		<dc:creator>.: blogging augusto :.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Das Entwickeln mit PHP macht Spass. Es ist ziemlich einfach möglich auch komplexere Aufgabenstellungen umzusetzen. Jedoch finde ich Fehler meist erst durch Testläufe meiner Software.

Als ich mit Python entwickelt habe fand ich die interaktive Shell ung</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Das Entwickeln mit PHP macht Spass. Es ist ziemlich einfach möglich auch komplexere Aufgabenstellungen umzusetzen. Jedoch finde ich Fehler meist erst durch Testläufe meiner Software.</p>
<p>Als ich mit Python entwickelt habe fand ich die interaktive Shell ung</p>
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		<title>By: Demian Turner</title>
		<link>http://phpkitchen.com/2006/06/php-shell-gets-even-better/comment-page-1/#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator>Demian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using this weblog for &gt; 1 year and didn&#039;t realise you had to enable the nl2br plugin to sort the comments - that&#039;s what I call plugin-based architecture ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using this weblog for > 1 year and didn&#8217;t realise you had to enable the nl2br plugin to sort the comments &#8211; that&#8217;s what I call plugin-based architecture <img src='http://phpkitchen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hick</title>
		<link>http://phpkitchen.com/2006/06/php-shell-gets-even-better/comment-page-1/#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator>Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could the command &quot;pear install PHP_Shell&quot; install it successfully? it came out this in windows xp:

Failed to download pear/PHP_Shell within preferred state &quot;stable&quot;, latest releas
e is version 0.3.0, stability &quot;alpha&quot;, use &quot;channel://pear.php.net/PHP_Shell-0.3
.0&quot; to install
Cannot initialize &#039;PHP_Shell&#039;, invalid or missing package file
Package &quot;PHP_Shell&quot; is not valid
install failed

I installed it by the command as the following at last:

pear install channel://pear.php.net/PHP_Shell-0.3.0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could the command &#8220;pear install PHP_Shell&#8221; install it successfully? it came out this in windows xp:</p>
<p>Failed to download pear/PHP_Shell within preferred state &#8220;stable&#8221;, latest releas<br />
e is version 0.3.0, stability &#8220;alpha&#8221;, use &#8220;channel://pear.php.net/PHP_Shell-0.3<br />
.0&#8243; to install<br />
Cannot initialize &#8216;PHP_Shell&#8217;, invalid or missing package file<br />
Package &#8220;PHP_Shell&#8221; is not valid<br />
install failed</p>
<p>I installed it by the command as the following at last:</p>
<p>pear install channel://pear.php.net/PHP_Shell-0.3.0</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Shiflett</title>
		<link>http://phpkitchen.com/2006/06/php-shell-gets-even-better/comment-page-1/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Shiflett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a strong opinion about these things, so I doubt my perspective will interest anyone. I watched the panel at php&#124;tek on frameworks, so I did get a better idea regarding some of the design decisions. One thing worth noting is that ZF is designed to coexist peacefully with other component libraries such as PEAR. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s too much direct competition, because PEAR will never want to be a framework, and ZF will never have many components.

Even if there is some direct competition, I don&#039;t see reinventing the wheel as disrespectful. We&#039;re all different, and sometimes the PEAR solution doesn&#039;t suit us for some reason. (I can say the same thing about the ZF solution in some cases, of course.) That&#039;s why I think CPAN will always have us beat. As Andy Lester so eloquently puts it, &quot;CPAN thrives because of the unfettered uploading of shit, not in spite of it.&quot;

Anyway, thanks for the quick explanation of Seagull. :-)

P.S. Your comment system needs some nl2br() action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a strong opinion about these things, so I doubt my perspective will interest anyone. I watched the panel at php|tek on frameworks, so I did get a better idea regarding some of the design decisions. One thing worth noting is that ZF is designed to coexist peacefully with other component libraries such as PEAR. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s too much direct competition, because PEAR will never want to be a framework, and ZF will never have many components.</p>
<p>Even if there is some direct competition, I don&#8217;t see reinventing the wheel as disrespectful. We&#8217;re all different, and sometimes the PEAR solution doesn&#8217;t suit us for some reason. (I can say the same thing about the ZF solution in some cases, of course.) That&#8217;s why I think CPAN will always have us beat. As Andy Lester so eloquently puts it, &#8220;CPAN thrives because of the unfettered uploading of shit, not in spite of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for the quick explanation of Seagull. <img src='http://phpkitchen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.S. Your comment system needs some nl2br() action.</p>
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		<title>By: Demian Turner</title>
		<link>http://phpkitchen.com/2006/06/php-shell-gets-even-better/comment-page-1/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Demian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing, I guess you really can learn something from comments ;-)

Chris, FYI the Seagull framework is built *on top* of PEAR libs, was one of the first adopters of things like DB_DataObjects and Flexy templates, and has provided stacks of bug reports and some patches to the PEAR community in the 5 years of it has been working with PEAR.  A default Seagull install comes with around 22 PEAR libs.

I can&#039;t think of a framework project out there in PHP land that is more dedicated to the PEAR effort.

We were also one of the first to make full use of PEAR channels, and provide tools for gui frontend to download channel packages.

Now as you&#039;re apparently interested in the subject, and a ZPF contributor, what&#039;s your take on my comment now that you&#039;re a bit more informed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing, I guess you really can learn something from comments <img src='http://phpkitchen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Chris, FYI the Seagull framework is built *on top* of PEAR libs, was one of the first adopters of things like DB_DataObjects and Flexy templates, and has provided stacks of bug reports and some patches to the PEAR community in the 5 years of it has been working with PEAR.  A default Seagull install comes with around 22 PEAR libs.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of a framework project out there in PHP land that is more dedicated to the PEAR effort.</p>
<p>We were also one of the first to make full use of PEAR channels, and provide tools for gui frontend to download channel packages.</p>
<p>Now as you&#8217;re apparently interested in the subject, and a ZPF contributor, what&#8217;s your take on my comment now that you&#8217;re a bit more informed?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Shiflett</title>
		<link>http://phpkitchen.com/2006/06/php-shell-gets-even-better/comment-page-1/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Shiflett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; to rewrite many of the PEAR libs from
&gt; scratch instead of improving existing
&gt; work (ezComponents, Zend Framework)

Should Seagull be part of that list? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> to rewrite many of the PEAR libs from<br />
> scratch instead of improving existing<br />
> work (ezComponents, Zend Framework)</p>
<p>Should Seagull be part of that list? <img src='http://phpkitchen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Krzysztof Kotowicz</title>
		<link>http://phpkitchen.com/2006/06/php-shell-gets-even-better/comment-page-1/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Krzysztof Kotowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could also use pear install PHP_Shell-alpha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could also use pear install PHP_Shell-alpha</p>
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		<title>By: Demian Turner</title>
		<link>http://phpkitchen.com/2006/06/php-shell-gets-even-better/comment-page-1/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Demian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for pointing that out, I always run in devel so never notice ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing that out, I always run in devel so never notice <img src='http://phpkitchen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anselm</title>
		<link>http://phpkitchen.com/2006/06/php-shell-gets-even-better/comment-page-1/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>Anselm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that Php Shell is still in alpha mode - so the default Pear config will not install it. You can either download it manually, or use the -f switch :

pear install -f PHP_Shell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that Php Shell is still in alpha mode &#8211; so the default Pear config will not install it. You can either download it manually, or use the -f switch :</p>
<p>pear install -f PHP_Shell</p>
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